Electric Formula One Racing.

[Robbert]

Dear racers,

A new class has been established in USA, UK, Canada and hopefully Europe will follow.

Electric Formula One racing.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1178471

http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/...rmula-one.html

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...1219329&page=6

It will be a entry level stock racing class at low cost and commercialy available parts. Jerry Small has designed some planes and Horizon USA has one ARF available. The POGO LR1A. Speeds just under 200 kmh.



www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflmgL3c6TE

RBCkits from Holland is doing kits for the Little Tony and the Tomcat based on designs from Jerry Small and Dan Kane.








Robbert van den Bosch

[Javlin]

Ich hab das Reglement gefunden:

http://www.nmpra.org/rules/EF1NewRules_3_%5B1%5D.pdf

Ist sehr amerikanisch...

Sounds like the Electric Reno Racing we tried in 2008...

http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=123805

[Jörg Heuser]

Super Sache.
Wer noch ein passendes Model braucht, es wird gerade zufällig eins angeboten: http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=201762

Grüße -
Jörg

[Robbert]

Zitat von Jörg Heuser

Super Sache.
Wer noch ein passendes Model braucht, es wird gerade zufällig eins angeboten: http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=201762

Grüße -
Jörg

Sorry Jorg. Your model is not legal in EF1 racing. no GFK fuselage allowed.

Robbert

[Robbert]

[QUOTE=Javlin;1832541]Ich hab das Reglement gefunden:

http://www.nmpra.org/rules/EF1NewRules_3_%5B1%5D.pdf



Sounds like the Electric Reno Racing we tried in 2008...



The differene is the new models only weight 1,5 Kg. So they are a dream to fly not like the old heavy Reno racers from a few years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflmgL3c6TE

Robbert

[Javlin]

Well, that is the problem isn't it.

Defining legal equipment.

Plus the fact that the currently defined equipment is only available in the US.

The rules developed for electric reno racing in 2008 were not that restrictive, allowing any 1:12 scale racer to participate (I can send the rules if you like).
It allowed for any aircombat machine to take part. So the weight is not the issue.
But still there was only 1 race with about 15 pilots.

There is a very good reason why F5D uses limiters, and predefining equipment is not the same.

[Robbert]

I don't think in problems but in solutions.

http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/at...g?d=1264722404

The equipment is available in Europe. Pogo and E flight setup through Horizon hobbys Germany. Turnigy parts trough HK germany. Planes through RBCkits The Netherlands.
Not yet on the site but in preparation for production. And more to come.

This is intended to be a beginners and club racing class.

Stock material will prevent the run on new equipment every time new stuff comes out.

Energy limiting is perfect for a full blown F5D/F5B class but not for beginners to much to change.

What about limiting power and not energy !

Maybee I need to explain.

If you limit energy good pilots can use there energy in less time and so have more power available increasing their speed. This means guys just starting and not so good in the flying, Our beginners and new bees, must use a less powerfull setup and are slowing down their planes.

If we limit power all planes will be at the same speed.

If we use a gouvenour mode on the ESC ,a fixed max RPM, and a prescribed prop we can controll the speed of the planes , no speed creap , and the efficienty of the motor , ESC and batterys don't matter any more.

For the moment we have chosen for the Stock class solution to get the momentum going in this class. If we have exceed the critical mass we can start thinking about a Pro-class.




Robbert

[Javlin]

Ok, that is a good start.

Power limit will be interesting, but requires strict surveillance.

I would advise to review the renowned shops in Germany and Austria and decide which ARF planes are legal according to your rules and note them as such. Kits are nice but not everyones favorite.

Some German commercials can be found here:

http://www.rc-network.de/werbung/inserenten.php

be shure to review the big shops for good availability.

[Robbert]

http://www.rc-network.de/forum/attac...1&d=1273062332

Miss Outrageous

[Javlin]

Very nice, were would I get this plane?

You said that this is supposed to be a starter class.
Stock parts need to be readily available and not just a "coming soon" on some web page.
As you are defining equipment to provide equal chances, the equipment needs to be deliverable.

I have researched The E-flight motor a little and found that it has to be imported. Maybe I didn't look in the right shop, but this is what I mean with "available". Same with the ESC and the Planes. I would personally like to see this race flourish. So maybe someone here can provide some shops so the commitee can get some stuff approved.

btw: Reno Rules 2009

http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=128674

[Robbert]

The class is in its infancy state so not all is available yet but one of the biggest worldwide modelcompagnys have joint hands together with the NMPRA to support this class. They have put the first ARF EF1 on the market also in Germany. The planes arrive end of may.

http://horizonhobby.de/index.php?mai...=&prod_id=6417

I started this thread just to see if there is interrest in Germany since you guys ar leading in F5D. Remember this class is for newbees and beginners and could be a good breading place for future F5D racers.

Would you or someone else be interested in introducing this class in Germany this year ?

Robbert

[SteffenM]

Hi Robbert,

do you see a chance to visit the next F5D contest in Herzebrock 15./16.May f5d.org. It's not too far away from the Netherlands and you will meet most of the german electric pylon guys.

@all

Komischerweise gibt es hier sehr wenig Resonanz auf die Ankündigung von Robbert . Falls Englisch das Problem sein sollte, ich bin sicher, dass Robbert Beiträge in Deutsch sehr wohl versteht auch wenn er vielleicht lieber in Englisch antwortet. Übrigens, Robbert van den Bosch ist amtierender F3D Weltmeister und weiss daher, wovon er hier schreibt.

Meine Meinung zum Thema: Ich wäre interessiert an EF1. Preiswert, überall fliegbar und verspricht sehr viel Spass .

Viele Grüße,
Steffen

[cool]

ja das hört sich gut an.Aber was Kostet den ein kompleter Racer?

mfg Cool

[Javlin]

I have been researching some more: Nachforschungen ergaben:

Plane (Pogo ARF Kit) 140.-
Turnigy Motor 20.-
E-Flight Motor 70.- (heavier motor, can absorb more heat) (schwerer Motor, kann mehr Hitze aufnehmen)
Esc 40.-

Total: 200.- or 250.- + RC Equipment

The Motors and ESC are only available in non-european shops.
The Eflight motor comes in 2 variations 900 KV and 1250KV, the 1250 KV version is hard to get.
The Pogo is due in May. (one German and one Austrian Shop)
Other Planes are "coming soon".

Die Motoren und Regler sind nur in nichteuropäischen Shops zu finden.
Den Eflight Motor gibts in 2 Versionen 900 KV und 1250 KV, wobei der 1250 KV schwer zu finden ist.
Der Pogo ARF soll im Mai lieferbar sein.
Bei den anderen Fliegern steht nur "bald verfügbar".

Gruß,

Kai

[TK]

hi,

wäre auch dabei, hört sich gut an und die F1-Flieger finde ich sowieso ziemlich geil.

Wir sehen uns nächste Woche.

Grüße aus Herzebrock


Klaus Brettner